Ever since making Triple the Gold I’ve been excited to learn how to play badugi, too. Sadly there were no online badugi games, and its only spread in live mixed games in LA or vegas, but pokerstars just recently opened up some games. At first it was only very small stakes games so I didn’t bother playing, but now they have games as big as 10/20 running. 10/20 limit, that is, so its still a pretty small game for me, but big enough that I actually feel motivated to sit and play. Tonight I played my first session. I only played for about half an hour on two tables, which worked out to about 60 hands, but I won $710. I’m sure I was running good but I felt like I had a pretty solid idea of what kind of ranges I should be working with, and managed to make some good valuebets that other players might not have made, at least not in their first session ever.
The biggest thing I’ve learned so far is that most players tend to over-value making badugi rather than making the best hand. If they make a weak badugi early, they tend to pat immediately and take it to showdown no matter what.
Dealt to DJ Sensei [5s 2s 8d 6h]
DislikeJacks has timed out
DislikeJacks: folds
DislikeJacks is sitting out
SSSHIP_IT: folds
DeathDonkey: raises $10 to $20
Ahen0910: calls $20
DislikeJacks has returned
Splonk: calls $15
DJ Sensei: calls $10
*** FIRST DRAW ***
Splonk: discards 2 cards
DJ Sensei: discards 1 card [5s]
Dealt to DJ Sensei [2s 8d 6h] [5d]
DeathDonkey: discards 2 cards
Ahen0910: discards 2 cards
Splonk: checks
DJ Sensei: checks
DeathDonkey: bets $10
Ahen0910: raises $10 to $20
Splonk: folds
DJ Sensei: calls $20
DeathDonkey: calls $10
*** SECOND DRAW ***
DJ Sensei: discards 1 card [8d]
Dealt to DJ Sensei [2s 6h 5d] [9c]
DeathDonkey: discards 1 card
Ahen0910: stands pat
DJ Sensei: bets $20
DeathDonkey: folds
Ahen0910: calls $20
*** THIRD DRAW ***
DJ Sensei: stands pat on [2s 6h 5d 9c]
Ahen0910: stands pat
DJ Sensei: bets $20
Ahen0910: calls $20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DJ Sensei: shows [5d 2s 9c 6h] (Badugi: 9,6,5,2)
Ahen0910: mucks Q73A badugi
DJ Sensei collected $217 from pot
Once I bet into two opponents after the second draw (one of whom is already pat) and then pat myself (well, duh) on the third, his Q badugi is never good and he should break it and try to catch up. If he was holding something like QJ3A then he should just fold (but if he shows up with a hand like that in this situation he’s got bigger strategic problems!). Its also worth noting that my range is pretty rough due to just flatcalling predraw and drawing one, so his 73A draw is very likely live. Whether I played the hand optimally myself, well, I’m not entirely sure but I think I did alright. If my opponents are making mistakes like this on the big-bet streets, then I’m definitely +EV in the game!
Dealt to DJ Sensei [3h 2d 4c Kh]
Splonk: folds
NoRevolution: folds
SSSHIP_IT: folds
FatsoFat6969: folds
DeathDonkey: raises $10 to $20
DJ Sensei: raises $10 to $30
cal42688: raises $10 to $40
Betting is capped
DeathDonkey: calls $20
DJ Sensei: calls $10
*** FIRST DRAW ***
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DJ Sensei: discards 1 card [Kh]
Dealt to DJ Sensei [3h 2d 4c] [Qs]
cal42688: stands pat
DeathDonkey: discards 2 cards
DJ Sensei: checks
cal42688: bets $10
DeathDonkey: calls $10
DJ Sensei: calls $10
*** SECOND DRAW ***
DJ Sensei: discards 1 card [Qs]
Dealt to DJ Sensei [3h 2d 4c] [Qd]
cal42688: stands pat
DeathDonkey: discards 1 card
DJ Sensei: checks
cal42688: bets $20
DeathDonkey: folds
DJ Sensei: calls $20
*** THIRD DRAW ***
DJ Sensei: discards 1 card [Qd]
Dealt to DJ Sensei [3h 2d 4c] [9s]
cal42688: stands pat
DJ Sensei: bets $20
cal42688: calls $20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DJ Sensei: shows [3h 2d 4c 9s] (Badugi: 9,4,3,2)
cal42688: mucks QJ2A badugi
DJ Sensei collected $227 from pot
This is another example of the same thing. Note that I made a Q badugi myself on the first draw, but broke it to try and improve because his range of dealt badugis (which I have to assume he has, unless he’s snowing from the get-go) is for the most part crushing a Q, and of course my draw is very smooth. When I get there on the end, I correctly valuebet, and he pays off (even though he probably shouldn’t, as it would seem to be a stupid spot to bluff). I think his best play is probably to just fold here preflop facing a 3bet cold (or call and draw to the A2 if it was just a raised pot).
It also seems that most players believe anyone who pats and will fold too much on the end unless they’ve made badugi. I haven’t quite figured out how much I should be snowing as a result, but I suspect the answer is “much more often until they catch me”. I also am not quite sure what to do about calling bets on the end with a 3card badugi when my opponent is pat. If nobody is snowing then its clearly wrong, but I have no idea the frequency that its happening. I bet when higher stakes games open up there will be a lot more snowing and a lot more calling light. Doesn’t seem to be the case at 10/20 though. Fortunately I have access to an expert (the one and only deathdonkey, of course) and will probably be bugging him a lot in the coming weeks to teach me how to keep shipping it.